mostly women and children, according# to Palestinian officials.

And the path## to a real political solution to the# end of the war still seems far off.

To discuss what this means for# Palestinians trapped in Gaza,## I spoke earlier today with Palestinian# political analyst Nour Odeh.

Nour, welcome back to the# "NewsHour."

Thanks for joining us.

NOUR ODEH, Former Palestinian Government# Spokesperson AMNA NAWAZ: I'd love to ask put forward yesterday by Egypt and Qatar.# It essentially calls for a ce calls for the phased release of hostages held by# Hamas and also Palestinians held by Israel, and## for a united technocratic Palestinian government# that would oversee Gaza and the West Bank.

Just, when you saw this peace plan, what# was your take?

What did you make of it?

NOUR ODEH: Well, I mean, it wasn't very surprising# in its attempt to phase in a so to speak, because it does seem# that the parties are very far apart.

But I was a bit puzzled that the Egyptians# would also include negotiations with## Israel and the U.S. really on the internal# Palestinian issue of who governs and how,## because this is a very contentious# issue and a very delicate one.

And I think it would have been much easier for# Egypt to kind of do a little bit of houseke with the Palestinians first before it kind# of put it up there for everybody to weigh## in.

And now we know that pretty much# everybody has said no to the proposal.

AMNA NAWAZ: Well, we know Hamas'# opposition reportedly is based## on the fact that they don't want# anyone else to run Gaza, So set aside for a moment what Israel would or# wouldn't sign on to.

Would Hamas suppor plan that doesn't include them in charge?

Would# Palestinians support Hamas not being in charge?

NOUR ODEH: Well, I think this is not a zero# sum game.

I think Hamas would be open to a## formulation where it is -- it remains part of# the political scene, because that is inevitable.

There's no way that Hamas is going to# cease to exist.

And everybody, I think,## has to come to terms with that.

But# to have a technocratic government,## I don't think would be a contentious issue.

It's# more the other details of how this would happen,## how unity would come about.

What# kind of role would Hamas have in## the wider political context in# the Palestinian political scene?

These are things that Palestinians need# to agree on and that, quite, frankly,## the world has to come to terms with, because# if this veto on who can -- who is an acceptable## Palestinian political player continues, then there# is more of a chance that this war will continue,## will persist, and we will see more death and# destruction until the realities set in and## people understand that there's no way you can# cancel an ideology or prevent a significant## player from taking part in Palestinian politics# without setting everybody up for civil war.

AMNA NAWAZ: But, Nour, as you know, Israel has# said that one of their main goals, one of their## prerequisites here is that Hamas is eradicated.

So# what does a future with Hamas Are you saying there's a difference# between the political wing surviving## without the military wing?# Would Israel ever accept that?

NOUR ODEH: Well, I'm not sure we# need Israel's opinion this, be quite frankly, Palestinians don't get to have a# sa And right now, in Israel, you have a# man who's been convicted eight times of## terrorism-related charges in Israel as the# minister of national security.

You have a## self-avowed fascist in charge of Palestinian# affairs and the Ministry of Finance.

So,## it is not -- it should not be up to the Israelis.

The Hamas is not only present in Gaza.# And so degrading its military toppling its de facto government in Gaza# doesn't mean that Hamas is going to cease## to exist.

And that's really the reality I'm# talking about.

We need to understand that the## Palestinian political scene is not exclusive# to Gaza, and it is much wider than that.

It's in the West Bank.

It's also in exile, and# that Palestinians need to be able to come up with## a formula that they can live with and that can# be functional and inclusive and representative## in order for things to move forward, and# in order for dialogue about ending the## occupation and the root cause of all this misery# can actually commence with international support.

AMNA NAWAZ: Nour, all of this is coming# as there's another conversation in Israel,## more public now, about the# displacement of Palestinians.

There was an opinion piece published by The# Jerusalem Post by an academic named Joel Roskin, who's a geologist at Bar-Ilan University.# The title of that was "Why Moving to the## Sinai Peninsula is the Solution# For Gaza's Palestinians."

There's## also been reports recently about# Prime Minister Netanyahu talking## about supporting voluntary migration# of Palestinians to other Wh at do you make of this conversation# becoming more public now?

NOUR ODEH: Well, I think that the# Israelis are more comfortable talking## about a potential atrocity crime, as# experts of internation In my opinion, this was the plan# all along, starving a population,## depriving them of food and water, destroying the# infrastructure, breaking down the health system,## making sure that the region occupied# now is basically uninhabitable,## and pushing the majority of the population into# a small, tiny portion at the Egyptian border.

It was all meant to kind of nudge the# population, if not outright forcibly expel it,## into the Sinai.

And now they're# more comfortable saying that,## probably because they haven't really# had any pushback about all the other## violations of international law that# have been committed for over 80 AM NA NAWAZ: Well, Israel, I must# put to you, will say this has all## been about national security, right,# th e steps that they're taking now are to make# sure that horrific day never happens What would you say to that?

NOUR ODEH: Well, it's conv line in the sand and start# counting from October 7.

But everybody understands around the# world that this didn't s that Palestinians have been enduring a reality of# persecution and dispossession and Israeli foreign## occupation for 75 years.

That's really at the# heart of all of this and the fact that it's been a## political dead end for Palestinians, that you have# an Israeli prime minister who's committed publicly## to preventing the realization of Palestinian# self-determination, of Palestinian statehood.

That's what got us here, in addition to# international complacency, I have to say.

So one## would hope that, out of all of this tragedy, out# of this misery and these atrocities now committed,## the world would understand that they# need to change the playbook and they## need to answer those root causes.

Otherwise,# we're going to end up ri with the seeds of future conflicts very# present and very ripe for the picking.

AMNA NAWAZ: Political analyst Nour# Odeh joining us tonight from Ramallah.

Nour, thank you for your time.

NOUR ODEH: Thank you for having me.